On the frontlines rescuing children from traffickers with Jeremy Neves LHP 021

Intro

Jeremy Neves (00:00:00)

The next morning, we get there and we set everything up. We get ready and the first group shows up and there’s 40 kids that come in, just cab after cab after cab. It’s real. It’s game time. We’re checking everybody in. Typically, an operation like this is going to be 15 minutes, you know, get everybody in there, verify everything, exchange money, activate it, feds rush in, arrest everyone, take us to the airport and them to jail. Right, well this one they wanted us to get out first and we’re in there 15 minutes and the other group hadn’t shown up, then it’s 20 minutes then it’s 30 minutes, we were in there for an hour and a half Paul.

Paul Hutchinson (00:00:46)

Welcome to another episode of the liberating Humanity podcast. I’m Paul Hutchinson and I’m here with one of my best friends on the planet because we’ve done some undercover work together and we’ve done a lot of Good Charity things together. I’m here with Jeremy Nevas. Thank you for being here. 

Jeremy Naves (00:01:01)

Absolutely. I’m excited to be here and chop it up with one of my good friends.

Paul Hutchinson (00:01:06)

So we didn’t even know each other a few years ago when you ended up on an operation. In fact the operation that I went into detail on Mexico, one that ended up in Puerto Vallarta, ended up being the largest child rescue in one day in Mexico history. Which was just phenomenal and sadly, I was there doing all of the eight months set free or deep deep stuff but I wasn’t able to be there on the takedown and so I was super excited for you to come on and just tell us a story of how that takedown happened and then we’ll kind of talk about some of the other things that we’ve done with Ecuador etc and then delve into stuff.

Jeremey Naves (00:01:51)

Absolutely, This is my introduction to the work right, I’ve been to the charity events and been doing all the training and everything else and the goal was to get me on a takedown as the first operation and to be able to be a part of that and help support it and you guys had done eight months of preparation going in and out of country, meeting with the different traffickers you had put together multiple different trafficking rings. There was two different groups that were heavily trafficking in Puerto Vallarta and so the time came that I was supposed to go and actually they had scheduled the date everything was set up and then they had to cancel it the like the day before because one of the traffickers turned up dead, had been killed, got shot and so like this isn’t safe, we need to delay this. So it got pushed back a couple weeks and I happened to be at Disney World with my family. I was with my mom, my dad, my siblings, my kids, my wife and got calls like, “Hey, it’s time to go.” And so I literally spent the day at Disney World, hop on a plane to Mexico. The team was already there. I remember getting an Uber to this Alleyway where they had me drop me off and I heard him whistle at the end of the road and I get in the car and some of our other friends and operators there and we were waiting for the feds to come. We were meeting up with the feds. Setting up the house because there’s going to be a party at this house. The first thing that was really impactful for me is I get into that car and I knew one other operator and I knew our head of security Joseph who you’ve had on as well and he’d been my trainer and all the krav maga and everything but I didn’t know the others and one of them turned to me, Andy, and he said, “Jeremy why are you here?” And I was like, “what?” He’s like, “why are you here?” He wanted to know and I just said, “well, there’s two reasons one, I can empathize with these kids as a child who has some sexual trauma and number two is, as a father if anyone had taken one of my children, I would do anything I could to get them back and hope that anyone else who had the capacity would do the same and so that’s why I’m here.” And he’s like, “okay awesome, yeah you’re here for the right reasons.” You know cuz it can attract other people and so we bonded immediately. We went into this house, we met with the feds and we discussed how this was going to go down, how the takedown was going to take place. We were throwing a party and the traffickers, the two different rings were going to be bringing their girls into this party and then we were going to execute the takedown and after we met with them and set everything up in the house. We went to the grocery store and bought all the stuff for a party, got the whole house set up, got the camera set up and then that night the plan was to go meet with the different rings, meet with the two different groups and prepare them for tomorrow. Just solidify everything, let them know, “Hey no weapons coming into this.” And also informed them that their competitor was going to be there so we don’t get shot and they weren’t happy but as you know. They’re super greedy and they want the money and this is an eight-month process and so they’re like, okay we’ll make it work. And so I had the opportunity to go to one of them, one was a lady who ran a massage parlor and had these young young girls working for her and then another was another cartel group and we met with them at a bar at 2 in the morning and we’re sitting at dinner and I’m sitting here, he’s sitting right across from us with a couple of his guys and there was eight of us there and I just remember looking at this guy and this is my first experience right, interacting with these traffickers at all and he’s showing us pictures of these girls and he’s laughing and talking about the things that we can do and we’re having to laugh and high five and hug and I just remember like playing that role as I’m like talking and then all of a sudden he’s talking to someone else and I noticed the blood drain out of my face and I could tell I had gotten like really serious cuz I’m like looking at this guy. I want to strangle you right now and I had to immediately get that back. Hey, stay in character, this is what we’re doing, this is why we’re here. 

Paul Hutchinson [00:05:49]

So many times undercover I’ve felt that and I realize, you know if I follow through with what I really want to do right now, we’re going to those kids you know, we’re not going to be able to find that they’re going to be picked up by one of his other guys or whatever. The only way to get to the kids is to fall all the way through. In fact my very first operation when the guy shows me this picture of this Little Child. The Navy SEAL that’s standing behind me, he said, “that little girl looked almost like my little daughter at home. I almost upholstered my weapon right then and took him down but I realized if we do of course we lose those kids. You felt that same way.

Jeremy Neves [00:06:27]

Yeah, you feel it and it’s all the emotions. And we carried on, we had about an hour dinner you know, we talked about everything for the next day and then we come out and we we’re getting into our cab and we get in the cab and it’s like really quiet and we’re driving for a couple minutes and one of the guys turned to me and said, “So how was your first interaction? How do you feel?” And I was like, “I’m exhausted, like physically, emotionally, spiritually exhausted just like having to get into that role but also really excited and I remembered like we had gone to the grocery store buying all this stuff and I had this moment of like, you guys had eight months there, had been all of these setbacks and delays and challenges, all the moving pieces, we’re just informants right, we have no jurisdiction or anything else, we’re helping support the federal agents and so we’re rocking to the beat of their tune and I just remember having this feeling of like I hope this goes through, I’ll do whatever it takes. It was one of those moments where I realized how much I had. Sometimes you can be cheap about spending money or doing certain things or really protecting money when you’ve created a certain amount of wealth and I remember at that moment being like, I would empty my bank account to make sure this thing goes through. Like you’ll do whatever it takes.

Paul Hutchinson [00:07:37]

Once you see the pictures of those children, once you see how real it is that these guys are selling kids you’re like.

Jeremy [00:07:49]

This matters most.

Paul Hutchinson [00:07:51]

Yeah, this does, this matters most. This has to happen and you know what’s interesting is not only are the different countries’ laws and regulations different but different jurisdictions within each country are different as well and Mexico’s is just the same. The prosecutor in that jurisdiction was like, okay yes we’ve had other operations where the operators got arrested with the traffickers. We were able to be there. The feds come in, they arrest us too and then boom. We’re out, then they don’t know that we had anything to do with it because we’re getting arrested too. Well in this jurisdiction the prosecutor said you know what, we can’t have you guys actually get arrested with them, if we do then we have to take you in and process, we can’t just take you to the airport and so you had to figure out how to get all the kids there, all the traffickers there, you there, get you to leave before the feds came in and busted everybody.

Jeremy [00:08:47]

Yep, which made it pretty complex right because we had set up this. Well we got in a house that didn’t make it super easy for that. There were literally on three sides walls that were like 25 ft high right. So we’re not escaping out the sides, what we literally all had to make it out the front door.

Paul Hutchinson [00:09:03]

You were thinking about coming out the top window.

Jeremy [00:09:05]

Well coming out the top window yeah, I mean there was all these things but they had trouble with that jurisdiction needed us to escape first and then take them. So the next morning, we get there, we set everything up, we get ready and again the two different rings are coming in and the first group shows up and there’s 40 girls, 40 kids that come in, just cab after cab after cab and it’s real, it’s game time. We’re checking everybody in and typically an operation like this is going to be 15 minutes you know, get everybody in there, verify everything, exchange money, activate it, feds rush in, arrest everyone, take them, take us to the airport and them to jail right. Well this one they wanted us to, they wanted us to get out first and we were in there 15 minutes and the other group hadn’t shown up. Then it’s 20 minutes, then it’s 30 minutes, we were in there for an hour and a half Paul. So you can imagine like you come in with a game plan, everyone’s playing different roles, everyone kind of knows their job and their role and everything else but now we’ve got a delay and so you got to imagine the traffickers are going, why aren’t you having sex with these children? Why aren’t they? like what’s going on here. And so we just kept making up other things like, Hey we’re waiting for this, the boss will select who he wants first you know. So we’re doing all sorts of different things to delay you know. what’s going to take place.

Paul Hutchinson [00:10:34]

Wow I didn’t realize there was that much of a delay. and that’s exactly what happened on my first rescue mission. When we were in Cartagena Colombia, the one the movie is about you know, in the movie they depict the delay because they were waiting for the other boat of children, in real life, all of the kids were brought. 54 children were brought to Cartagena Colombia on that island, they all showed up right there then we gave the signal, we’re like, our signal was ordering tequila right, as soon as we were sitting there, talking with all the traffickers as soon as we have them on camera saying exactly why those kids are there and what they’re willing to do. So the kids never have to stand trial and say, this is what happened, we have it all on camera, as soon as we have all of that then we ordered tequila and then literally two-three minutes later after we ordered tequila. The waiter was supposed to go back radio the other agents’ boom. They’re supposed to storm it all where they get arrested right, 2 minutes passes, five 10, 15, 20. It was 45 minutes later. Now the thing is we didn’t know, we didn’t know what the delay was., like what’s going on, no idea, they leave us out here exactly, they’re leaving us and we have the traffickers here and so when we ordered tequila unfortunately, to the traffickers that meant the part’s ready to start right. So Fuego gets up and he’s taking out his cocaine and he puts it out on the table and we’re like, okay and the girl that’s in the movie they go in to, they go get the kids to bring them out for the party. This can’t happen right and so it was divine intervention that I was there not because I’m got all these crazy skills but because of the fact that I had negotiated hundreds of business deals over my career and so I said, guys guys you’ve just proven to me that you could deliver what you said you would deliver, the whole reason for this party is so that I could see if I want to invest in your business. So right here you bring out those kids, you bring out that cocaine, I’m going have a great time, I’m going to be effed up for the next two days, bring out a piece of paper instead, let’s draw this and that business plan was a pure just delay delay delay and fortunately that business plan was the darkest most evil piece of paper that I’ve ever seen let alone written myself right and what’s sad is that that business plan penciled you know, really well  like I put in $8 million into this sex resort for children. They wanted to build and it penciled at tens of millions of dollars a year coming in and because they had these connections with these wealthy Americans it would pay $100,000 membership. I mean the stuff that they talked about in the movie came from that business plan that we were putting together with those guys trying to delay having no idea. I’m like, where the crap are the agents right. So fortunately you guys were at least the agents there.

Jeremy [00:13:26]

Yeah. There were 70 agents, a couple blocks away, waiting to come in, you know. We ended up pulling out a broomstick and doing the limbo and having them line up and see who could go the lowest and we give them money, whoever could go the lowest. We were coming up with ways to delay and whatever else and what actually ended up happening was the head trafficker got a call and took off. And so we’re like, do we take him down? No we can’t blow our cover you know that, we just can’t. Feds are out there, they’re watching, we’re good and so we’re like, okay we’re going to carry on we’re still waiting for these other girls, we can’t leave this and I keep saying girls cuz this was all girls it’s not always all girls but there was. It was all girls on this operation. Waiting for the other kids and about 10-15 minutes later goes by and we get a message from the feds like, hey you guys should just wrap this up you know. We had to make a decision and so again tequila time is our go-to. We say tequila time, I’m fairly tan and at that time was really tan and so I knew the top four agents but I didn’t know all 70 and so I’m like, I’m the first one out of here. I don’t want to get confused as one of the traffickers, so they say tequila time I made my way out. Everyone had their routes out of the house. We put some money, probably 10 grand in cash, on the table and said count this we’ll get the rest. And one by one we all hopped in the van, we took off, activated it, the feds came rushing in at that time the other traffickers in the house had actually started going down the street, feds grabbed them and while they were there and the doctors and aftercare people would come in then four more cabs pulled up, while the feds were there with the other girls. Now their leader took off but those eight girls were rescued so there’s 48 girls in total and we took off. It was a little stressful going to the airport, they had you know, the head trafficker had left and he was very well connected with the cartel and everything else and so they said hey if he was tipped off you guys’ lives are in danger turn your phones off, get out of our country as fast as you can. So it was a little stressful from the house to the airport. Once we got through security and everything it kind of calmed down.

Paul Hutchinson [0015:37]

Then they ended up arresting him at his house.Right?

Jeremy [0015:39]

They ended up. Actually they were at his house and got his wife but they let him go for I think he went for a few weeks and they just followed him and he led them to other groups and stuff like that and they eventually took him down.

Paul Hutchins [00:15:51]

Yeah. The head of the federal police in Mexico, yeah that was our last Mexico rescue and you know, we had done other things after that in Ecuador and other places but he recently, just two weeks ago texted me and said hey Paul there is never been a group that has done more good for the children down here than what you guys did. he said, I really want to do some more of those because you know unfortunately, it’s Americans that are down there that are creating the demand and so they need for the undercover Ops, they need Americans that are going down there, that are trained like we are to be able to pull them all out.

Jeremy [00:16:32]

So yeah, it was fascinating I got to the airport. I remember calling my family letting them know that we were okay and people asking like, how do you feel? And I’m like, not good. Like I thought I’d feel really really good but right now I don’t, I just want to get out of this country. I was really really struggling with the way I felt, the way I was looking at people, I mean these traffickers look like totally normal guys. So everyone else at the airport I’m like, which one of you? It was really really tough but I remember, I flew back and I met my family in Orlando and I’m at Disney World the next day. It’s sunny outside, it’s warm, I’m standing in line and I hear people complaining about the lines, and people complaining about the heat, and I’m just sitting there and I’m just like, you have no idea what’s going on in the world and it changed my life forever. That day, I actually have a tattoo that represents that day. It was the number of days I had lived until my life completely changed and it was that day and I got a text from one of our brother’s Attorney General Shaun Reyes. He texted the group and he said “Brothers, Happy Father’s Day!” Today will always be a special day. We remember the reunions, we helped create yesterday and it was a full circle moment for me. As somebody who went as a father saying, “if my child was missing” and to realize literally the day before Father’s Day 48 girls were returned back to their parents and so absolutely changed my life, my perspective on what mattered most. The impact we were making and as much as there’s been controversy about different things about the trafficking and the way operations were done and everything else. I will always stand by the fact that I know lives were changed and that was an incredible opportunity for me to be a part of. I have you to thank for it because you led the way and without you I would have never had that opportunity but it literally changed my life and brought so many things into perspective for me.

Paul Hutchins [00:18:19]

That’s so beautiful. I’ve gotten to the point where my, I’m going to call it my gratitude scale.

Jeremy [00:18:24]

Yeah.

Paul Hutchins [00:18:24]

Has expanded significantly. You know before I was just grateful for really good things. This new car, this big win, this million dollar paycheck. But that gratitude scale has gone to just being grateful for clean water, being grateful that my kids and grandkids are in a safe place that nobody that I know personally is being abducted and raped. I mean there’s just so many things to be grateful for every single day.

Jeremy [00:18:51]

Absolutely.

Paul Hutchins [00:18:52]

Lives and you know our families super beautiful that you started and ended that with your family. You were, “hey! we’re here at Disney world.” I’m going to leave for a day or two and then come back and celebrate that Father’s Day with your kids.

Jeremy [00:19:06]

Yeah. Put a lot of things in perspective for me for sure.

Paul Hutchins [00:19:10]

Yeah. Super grateful for the man that you are.

Jeremy [00:19:12]

Thank you. 

Paul Hutchins [00:19:13]

You know and since that time we did a bunch of other operations together we became good friends and went on some ATV trips and.

Jeremy [00:19:21]

We’ve had some fun.

Paul Hutchins [00:19:22]

Chased some cows.

Jeremy [00:19:23]

You know what’s wild about that? I look at the closest relationships that I have in my life today. And they’re all people that have come through that and I as coaching and leading men. I realize one of the most important things is having that tribe of people that you can lean on. That you can be vulnerable with. That can help call you into integrity and all of those things and one of the things that I say to look for like when you’re trying to build that tribe is like, who shares values with you? and one of the best ways to find that is through nonprofit charitable work and we all met each other at these charity auctions. We all came in and our different ways but got unified in a cause and a purpose and nothing. Not every cause is going to have something where you’re like literally putting your life at risk and you’re infiltrating cartels and it’s like, hey! you got my back! I got your back! okay well now let’s go do some dangerous [ __ ] together but that is a surefire way to build a deep brotherhood really really fast. And it’s really cool to see how we’ve shown up for each other and all the other ways since then because of that.

Paul Hutchins [00:20:25]

Huge. In fact, starting the child rescue work 10 years ago was a massive change for me. But my personal transformation came because of that brotherhood many years later. When I got a call from Andy and Jimmy, and they’re both on the phone, they said “Paul do you trust us?” and I said, “Yeah, I trust you with my life.” I’d done 20 plus missions with Andy and like 13, 14 with Jimmy at the time and I said “Yeah I trust you with my whole life” and they said “Well then this is going to transform your life.” And they talked about a facilitator, a doctor, who had traveled the world and studied all different types of healing and transformational remedies. Especially for people who had dealt with PTSD. Understand this, when you do the work that we’ve done undercover and finding these kids, if you’re not careful, it can weigh really heavily upon all the other areas of your life. Yes, it helps you see.

Jeremy [00:21:42]

Even if you are careful, it’s heavy.

Paul Hutchins [00:21:45]

It is and you know at the time, I was first brought into the work because they wanted somebody to play that role of that arrogant [ __ ] that was paying for these parties right.

Jeremy [00:21:57]

You were really good at that.

Paul Hutchins [00:21:58]

I was good at that, that’s what I was, I’m at a basketball court in my basement. What else does it take to boost your ego right? Right, I’ve got all these cars, all these girls, all these and that was the life I was living. I wasn’t doing anything illegal.

Jeremy [00:22:12]

Yeah.

Paul Hutchins [00:22:12]

But, I definitely wasn’t living in pure integrity with the higher version of myself. So fast forward, I had led all these missions, I built a multi-billion dollar company, I have all the NBA players at my house and have dress girls and all this [ __ ]. I was on my second marriage and it was head for a divorce and it was just super destructive. And they brought me into a plant medicine healing ceremony. That I grew up Mormon. I didn’t drink my first sip of alcohol until I was 45 years old, right? I had been told my whole life that things like sassafras, white lily psilocybin, these psychedelics. I had understood them as bad as cocaine because they were deemed schedule one drugs in the late 60s but the reality is they’re safer than table sugar. Now I’m not an advocate of somebody just going and partying with, because you have to have a train facilitator, you have to be setting sacred space. But in that journey experience, the plant medicine was able to take down my ego walls which was impossible. I went to therapists, if she was cute, my goal when I sat down with that therapist was to win her over. 

Jeremy [00:23:37]

That’s going on a date with you.

Paul Hutchins [00:23:39]

Oh! go on a date with me exactly. That’s just kind of how I was thinking, that was my energy and I was definitely this ego was so big it was impenetrable.

Jeremy [00:23:48]

Yeah. 

Paul Hutchins [00:23:48]

With a lot of these people and in that space I remember having this beautiful spiritual awakening. This connection with my higher self and my true divine mission on this Earth and I realized that yes, I was doing some great work from a charitable standpoint but there was so many things out of alignment in my life that needed help. In fact, fast forward, we had done a couple of these to really work on some things and we had one that was just us guys. Was me, and Andy, and Jimmy. I think it was just three of us, maybe there was a couple over there. But I remember sitting with Jimmy and I’m like, yeah! this was maybe 6 months to 8 months after my first experience. And I’m glad that I’ve really worked on my [ __ ]. I’m not the guy who used to and then I would list these things. I used to have this many girls at this period of time. He said, “shut up! right now.” He says, “You stop it right now!” I said, “What?” He said, “Your energy is out of integrity” he says “you’re sitting here, bragging about how that’s not how you are but your energy is so still attached, you’re so attached to bragging about this girl and this girl and this girl.” he says, “no! that’s not you anymore.” And it took a real friend to be that in tune with me. And to, because nobody stood up to Paul [ __ ] Hutchinson right? Everybody was intimidated to tell me what I really needed to know but.

Jeremy [00:25:26]

And you couldn’t hear it. 

Paul Hutchins [00:25:27]

I couldn’t hear it even if they did say it.

Jeremy [00:25:29]

They said it, you couldn’t hear it, yeah? 

Paul Hutchins [00:25:30]

Exactly.

Jeremy [00:25:31]

But this was different, yeah.

Paul Hutchins [00:25:31]

Yeah, I was in this space where I could absorb and be ready to listen. And I had friends that loved me enough to call me on my [ __ ] for real. I remember one at my own house where we called you on your [ __ ] at the same time. Which is beautiful and we all work together and working through those things in a beautiful way.

Jeremy [00:25:51]

And it was one of the most beautiful and transformative experiences of my life. It’s interesting, we talk about one tribe and brotherhood and everything else. That was a moment where I was like, oh! Do I want this? Like calling each other out and the reality was it was calling us forward, was seeing you as better than you’re acting and wanting what’s best for you but also not just having a relationship with me it’s all of my brothers knowing my family and knowing our agreements and so holding you to that standard when the spouse isn’t there or when you’re stepping out of line and calling you aside and I’ve seen that happen a number of times in this friend group. Where it’s just like, hey look! that’s not okay, that’s not who you are, and we still love you. We’re not going anywhere, it’s okay but let’s get this figured out. What’s going on here, right? With empathy and love and compassion and the fact that we’ve all been able to do it for each other is also made it really powerful. Where it’s like okay it’s not just one of us we all know we have stuff and the reason we know that is cuz we’re vulnerable with each other. We’re open, we’re willing to share our doubts and our concerns and our struggles. And so it’s become a really really beautiful space and something I’m extremely grateful for.

Paul Hutchins [00:27:08]

Well, I haven’t always been that kind of a friend to guys like Andy and Jimmy. I mean I remember when Andy was having some challenges in his relationship and I was like, Hey! come to my house. We got 16 girls here. Do you want to come over? That’s a horrible example to be setting for a friend whose relationship was working through things. Now, they’re so close together but I regret that all the time. I regret every time I go to dinner with him and his wife, I feel that deep down about where I was eight years ago with him. 

Jeremy [00:27:48]

Yeah.

Paul Hutchins [00:27:49]

Thinking, I could have been a way better friend at that time and in helping him heal his relationship instead of throwing things out they would hurt it. 

Jeremy [00:28:01]

Yeah. So instead of just being that yes friend right? or like let me this is where you are let me encourage that or it’s acceptable for you, so it’s acceptable for me. And that’s just there’s so many of those out there today, the rare one is the one that’s like, I do accept you and love you and you’re better than that. Yeah right?

Paul Hutchins [00:28:18]

Yeah. I love that. So, you’re spend half your time, just being an awesome dad and traveling, golfing, and stuff. And part of your time investing in real estate and some other businesses. But I’m most interested in your 20% of your time now, on what you’re doing to help men become the best version of themselves. What does that look like? 

Jeremy [00:28:40]

Yeah. So, I’ve got 17 men that I’m coaching and I keep it small. There’s a one-on-one coaching element, there’s a group community aspect of it, and then there’s some events. And you’ve come to the events like, I do two events a year. One is like a deep getting into the dojo and practicing becoming the best version of ourselves. It’s really personal development. Focus some business aspects but I bring in speakers and people to share experiences and stories and we do meditations, and breath work, and exercises to really just like put the walls down, take the armor off, practice and become the best versions of ourselves and you’ve helped a ton there and then on every other week we have a group mastermind call. We talk about different topics and have different speakers and there’s accountability and then we have one-on-one where I’m meeting somebody where they are with, what they’re dealing with and process through that whether it’s personal or business and what’s been the most magical aspect of it is you know, you look at the world today and there is so much toxicity right and you hear about this like toxic masculine and how you know men have objectified women and you don’t have their emotions in check and the way that they’re going about and it’s almost widely accepted right, it’s almost celebrated and so we don’t focus on the mass on the toxicity. We truly are the things that make you a  masculine man and it’s divine and so we’re really focused on vulnerability being open. It’s modeling the things that I see in our tribe in all reality. The things that have changed my life and so showing up with each other on these group calls and on these one-on ones and at the events and just showing what’s really going on, like what am I really going through, what am I struggling with, what are my doubts, what are my fears and being able to have space for that where you can be accepted. The thing about vulnerability is it’s the key to unlock deep connection so true if you really want to be connected to somebody you got to show them who you are and it’s relatable because you got [ __ ], I got [ __ ] we all do and we actually really relate in that because when somebody doesn’t open up and doesn’t share you think they got it all figured out and then you you’re comparing yourself and you’re feeling less than and it doesn’t foster that deep connection and so we’re really focused on being vulnerable men and their strength and vulnerability so powerful. Integrity is huge and there’s a huge focus around integrity and what that means is being aligned with our values and principles. It’s about telling the truth and we’ve had a lot of conversations about telling the truth and the importance of telling the truth the reality is that  I don’t think any of us is perfect at that or  it’s an ongoing progression right something as simple as like you reaching out and saying you want to hang out and my knee-jerk reactions like, instead of just saying No, I say well I got this going on or whatever. We all have those where somebody’s like, I want to go to lunch whatever it’s like no I just want to sit in the bath tonight and hang out but I can’t tell you that’s why I’m not coming you know but what are those levels of  honesty and telling the truth, being in Integrity you talk about kicking each other in the nuts and saying hey this is not you. You had an agreement and you stepped out of line with that you got to go have a conversation with your wife and we’re going to be here for you. There is going to be consequences. The struggle with truth is that it’s painful in the short term, always but in the midterm and in the long term it’s always worth it and we’re carrying around these backpacks full of rocks and we’re not even realizing it’s affecting us, it’s hurting us, we say we’re not telling the truth in the name of protecting somebody else but it’s really protecting our image that they’ll have of us and so it’s been one of the most fulfilling things Paul in leading this group. If I were to nail it down to one thing is me stepping into Integrity from good friends that have called me into integrity and continually doing so because it’s not that first time it’s the continually, hey I slipped up and I got to be better and being honest and aligning my actions with my values but seeing these men do that. Probably one of the proudest moments of my coaching that I’ve been doing for the last three or four years is I’ve talked about this so much and the men have heard it and they’ve had coaching for me, I’ve had you know role play to go and have conversations a lot of it’s in marriage, in relationships there and being able to just have that one person. If we’re committed to one person for the rest of time in all eternity or this life or whatever you see it as shouldn’t we be able to be 100% honest with at least one person and if we should, it should be that one and so I had a gentleman in the group that has done that multiple times and it’s been a tough struggle and at times questioning like am I really committed to this path of ongoing honesty because there’s consequences and whatever else and it hurts my wife or insecurities or you know disconnection and he stayed the course and it’s been beautiful well two weeks ago I get a message from the wife of one of the men in the group. This man in the group saying hey do you have time for a quick call and I get on this call and this wife says you’ve led our family and you’ve led my husband into Integrity by telling the truth and it’s absolutely changed our marriage and I’ve not been truthful with my husband and I need your help to be able to follow this lead and to have some conversations and went through and shared with me what was going on and the impact that it had something she had carried for almost 20 years and I was able to have the same conversation with her that I’d have with her husband, role playing, how to have the conversation, how to hold the space, how to react, how to show up  and I get a message from the husband the next day like thank you for loving my family and coaching my wife and another message from her being like this has literally changed my life and you and I both know when you’ve carried something especially that long, the weight, the light that you feel when you let that go and it’s just like, I mean, that to me is what it’s all about and it’s been amazing to be a part of that.

Paul Hutchinson [0035:12]

So beautiful. Yeah you know and bringing that exact conversation full circle to the child rescue work. I realized after 10 years of doing Ops I realized that we were just fighting fire with fire you know, we were, and the thing that I found myself wishing every single time was, what if we could get to these kids before they’re ever abused in the first place. How do we fix this problem before it comes a problem because just doing the rescue work, these kids have already been abused, they’ve already, we’re going to deal with 20 and 50 years of trauma therapy with these kids after that and so as I step back and ask myself what’s the real solution. I came to an understanding that it’s elevating Global Consciousness. It’s helping men become authentic becoming Men of Integrity, women as well you know and helping strengthen that nuclear family. Those are really the keys to success here and why is that. Here’s what it is and I want to delve into this a little bit with your childhood history as well. Statistically one out of every two women have been a victim of sexual abuse at some time in their life and of them, one out of every four, 25% of all women that we know it was when they were children, with men it’s a little bit less it’s statistically about one and five at some time in their life but even with them, one fourth of them it was under 10 years old and it was in their own homes and or a family member or something like that and what’s happening is unresolved it becomes generational trauma. It may not be passed down in the same manner but we’re all dealing with some generational trauma in some way you know. I look back at my childhood, I wasn’t raped as a child but not once from the time I was born until I was of the house, not once do I remember my father saying I love you or giving me a hug not even once now you trace that back you know and his mother very similar situations and I know that back somewhere whether it was one or two generations there was some other types of abuse because it ended up transferring into some of the other family members of some of my cousins Etc and so as I started really looking at this and understanding where the problem originated, every single one of these traffickers and pedophiles that we arrested, the ones that delve deep into after we found that every one of them were abused as children themselves. A lot of these, especially the female traffickers, were trafficked as kids themselves and you know God bless you and the majority of men who were things happen as children, the majority of them become protectors, they grow up and they say you know what, I will never allow what happened to me happen to my kids or anyone in my world and this is so important for me to ensure their safety but interestingly enough the ones that fall into that category, are ones who have been honest with themselves, have talked about it with their spouses are not afraid and holding it inside. There’s a very damaging cancer so to speak that happens emotionally when we bury our wounds. It’s like you know, if I have this massive cut as a kid and there’s a bunch of crap and I’m you know, I’m maybe got some sewer in there whatever else and if I just cover it up and don’t tell Mom and Dad about it that’s going to get infected, it’s going to get worse and worse and you have to open it up, dig out all that infection, clean it and then heal it properly and unfortunately what happens is the average age of a man talking about what happened, in fact the average age of any person talking about what happened as a child if they were abused in that way is 52 years old you know, that’s my age I’ve raised my kids, I’ve got grandkids, I’ve built my career and what happens is, if we hold that inside, it comes out in anxiety depression, low self-esteem, anger issues and for some people it comes out in trauma transfer in physical verbal or in some cases the sexual abuse of a child or other people and so God bless you for being the man that you are as a protector, being one of those majority that carry through in, have you seen with the men, some that are holding on to that trauma and what have you seen in terms of methods to release that because just by talking about it just by being willing to talk about it takes the chances the people who are abused as children and Men MH if gone unresolved one in three become a contact offender, that’s a really scary number, one and three right. Fortunately you’re one of the two-thirds but the real goal is how do we take that one and three and make sure that that trauma is never ever ever passed on to a child and I’ve seen that the ones who hold it in have a higher chance of passing it on. The ones that are able to just be honest about their feelings get it out, not hold on to all that negativity or able to, the chances of them passing it on goes down to almost Neil.

Jeremy [00:41:13]

Yeah. no what I’ve seen you know, for myself I did carry it and bury it for a long time because it was one of those things but I had acknowledged with myself that it was there but I had kind of hit it like there was all of this shame, there was all of this guilt, it’s interesting that there’s like and I’ve seen this pattern with other men is that like I should have been stronger, I should have been able to do this you know, I could have prevented this, God forbid I had a physical reaction and enjoyed it and so that can really mess with you right but what you’re saying is absolutely true in the sense that it seeps out in other ways. Any emotions or fears or doubts trauma that we carry in our body doesn’t forget, it causes physical and emotional and other actions that we take that are not serving us right, especially around the sexual stuff one of the things. I’ve seen with a lot of men is that it also increases the propensity to objectify women and to prove their masculinity right through other sexual ways and things like that from a young age if you’re over sexualized at a very young age in those ways then it ends up having a negative effect there which creates a shame cycle and a guilt cycle and self-worth is really damaged there. There’s multiple men in the group that have come forward through me sharing my message them feeling comfortable, hey I can confide in you and acknowledging these different things that have taken place and fortunately none of them have acted out on those different things but having a place where you feel safe, you feel seen, you feel that you can confide in someone that you know is not going to take your thing and broadcast it because there’s all of that around it. I think it’s been one of the most healing things for people just acknowledging that it’s there. I remember my first plant medicine ceremony where I recognized that it was there. I finally admitted it to myself that it was there and I saw that there was this thing that took place and I had built a fortress around it and the walls were a mile deep and a mile high and there was no getting into this thing. I wasn’t going to show it, I wasn’t going to see it, I wasn’t going to look at it, I wasn’t going to talk about it but then I acknowledged that it was there, it was like it was a window or maybe even a door. Now and I can see that there’s light in there but like At first I’m not ready to go in that door and I don’t need to but I just acknowledge that it’s there and then I brought my wife in and I bring you know a couple other people to like hey this is there and just being patient and loving and gentle with yourself  until the time comes that you’re like okay I’m going to go look at this deeper I’m going to allow myself to feel what I needed to feel that I never allow myself to feel the sadness the disappointment the anger and express all those different parts so that you can move that energy move that trauma and then from there it’s this ongoing process of self-love of recognizing your self-worth stop comparing yourself to somebody who didn’t have that experience or somebody who is somewhere where you want to be or having a different life and just acknowledge the greatness that you have and where you are and acknowledge those things with mindfulness and meditation and affirmations and self-love and building that selfworth has has created this hey I can talk about it and it’s not a painful thing anymore, it’s not a trigger anymore and I can also lead and shine that light to other people and show hope that like hey a number of years ago I could never have I could never have even acknowledged this and so I think that first step is acknowledging that it’s there and then finding a place where you can you can share it I think that’s been the most important process path there I’ve seen it the ability to help heal through a lot of that using some of the plant medicine absolutely so many so many examples of beautiful conversations with men and women in that space who you know either were holding it all in themselves or maybe they were trying to go through therapy and 10 years of therapy wasn’t really making a difference I remember one of our journey experiences I had a guy there his name was Jordan he had a Ferrari and live this life of everybody thought well cool life and whatever and we were lay on the ground you know we were looking up cuz we had some Starlight things on the ceiling look pretty dope when you’re on medicine right in there just just talking and he said Paul he said do you know that I have not looked in the mirror at myself for five years said five oh you were there I know you were there this one I forgot because it was you and me that took him into the mirror together I said five years he said yeah five years and and so we laid there and talked about kind of how he felt about himself and what he thought he would see in the mirror Etc and they’ll finally convinced him to get him and and go he didn’t want to look in the mirror himself and so he needed some support so me and you went and stood behind him and encouraged him to slowly finally look in the mirror and then say we said can you say I love myself and he says no I can’t say that can you start by I like myself you know and start there and then over time finally saying I love myself and then we were able to you left and you’re standing outside just me and him in the mirror and then I moved so it was just him and the next morning he thanked you and I for helping to introduce him to his new best friend which was that man in the mirror and you know it’s so difficult in our in conscious life is what I call it to break through some of those barriers you know where we have so many walls that are just built up that it’s almost impossible to break through those and if we come into one of those ceremonies with a clear intention of wanting to be the best version of myself that I can be and and maybe you know if you imagine this maze this start and this finish in our conscious life we’re trying to get down to this finish life of either you know self- love or you know patience with my kids or you know resolving some of these things I’m holding on to emotionally whatever they are we can’t get there and in that space especially with loving brothers and sisters that are that are there that can help hold space then all of a sudden that that route to that finish lane lights up and you can see I know now, I know how to get to that place of self- Love, I know how to get to that place of releasing those things that are holding me back, that those emotions that are dragging me down all the time that inability to look in the mirror or let go of what happened as a child and it’s been beautiful and you know  I’m more on these podcasts getting more and more vocal about this tool because for a while I was like oh you know it’s illegal in the US whatever but  fortunately by August of this year it’ll be MDMA will be decriminalized Nationwide by the FDA which is so beautiful and early next year we should have psilocybin as well now what I worry about that we we talked about this at at dinner the other night what I worry about that is is this the those tools they they break down these barriers sometimes these barriers are important to prevent evil from coming in and all right and and people from hurting us Etc right those barriers are there for a reason and and it pulls down these barriers and it opens up the spiritual realm okay now I believe there’s there’s about a third of the intelligences in the universe are nonvirtuous okay is what we read in scripture Etc so the there’s a very high probability if you’re opening up to that spiritual realm that you have influences that are not virtuous and so if people are not setting sacred space if they are not doing it in an environment with loving supportive people if you decide you’re going to go do mushrooms at a rave party and there’s sex parties going on and crazy the negative energy is going to negatively affect you as much as the positivity can happen in one of our guided meditation experiences so it’s so important guys if you’re con considering using plant medicine as a tool to help open up your your connection to your higher self to make yourself a better person make sure that you’re in an environment with train facilitators with people who are loving and supportive of the best version of yourself that you can be because you’re in a malleable position in that space so it’s important that you align yourself with people who have integrity and and and want to see the best version of you yeah it’s not something to play around with it’s definitely a spiritual selfhealing got to go into it with intention with the right support in the right set and setting otherwise it’s totally counter into it and that’s look that’s with everything right we can use social media for good or for bad we can use the internet for good or for bad you know there’s so many tools that are out there that really can change your life and transform your life in a positive way and they can also do the opposite yeah so I think that’s important and hopefully it doesn’t get bastardized in a way that isn’t seen that way but we we know we also know that if you go in with the right intention it can absolutely transform your life it has for us and it and it look it’s not easy work either it’s not like you’re having fun know a lot of medicine doesn’t just fix everything for you you got you got to do the work and but it’s a great awareness tool that that’s been there and so I’m grateful for it this what I’m spending a lot of our time on you know our charity work in the safe houses and stuff but I’m putting a lot into aligning with different healing retreats and building healing retreats and inviting people to come and participate and be a part of something that’s going to truly transform their lives and so excited about that. So we have five, six minutes left, okay maybe 10 minutes left. I want to go down a fun story. So we got a few of those so so most of my close friends are really hardworking and they’ve created amazing success in their life and and one of your goals on your vision board for a while that probably I don’t know maybe it wasn’t on your vision maybe you decided one day you’re going to buy it but you bought it for you bought a Lamborghini yeah okay so what kind of Lambo do you have it’s a Huracan so there was a there was a story was about a year ago oh no dude it’s been four years now was that four years ago that was 2020 right in the middle of Co okay crazy story about a 5-year-old that got pulled over driving his mama’s car on the freeway yes and he wanted to go buy a Lamborghini yes so tell me the story about that so this is wild yes the lambo was on my vision board it was for a number of years and I said I was going to do it and I kept putting it off the goal like I’m not worthy of it yet or I’m not that’s a whole different story but to answer question yes it was on there finally pulled the trigger and it’s become a really cool tool and created some really fun experiences like this one so this 5-year-old boy wanted a Lamborghini told his parents he wanted a Lamborghini watched Lamborghini videos. He knew that they had him in California. His mom’s like, no you can’t have a Lamborghini 5 years old okay five now granted this kid is he was the size of me when I was 12 so he was a bigger 5-year-old anyway his parents are gone  his sister’s babysitting she’s asleep he gets a stool gets up on the counter gets the keys to the car it’s like a Honda Pilot one of those like SUVs he moves the seat all the way up all the way forward he goes and finds money in the house I think he found $3 and he set out on the mission of a lifetime to go buy a Lamborghini and he lives in Ogden Utah up north and he he knew how to go from his house to I15 to the freeway he gets on the freeway and is going 35 miles an hour now that’s as far as his foot would reach the pedal and uh you know 65 M Speed he’s going 35 and Highway Patrol found him five five years old cruising on the freeway to go buy a Lambo and he takes off and the cops pull up they turn the siren on lights on and after a little while he pulled over and like I mean genius that he was able to do that as well like all these things are miraculous the police officer gets up there it’s like holy smokes what’s going on the kid’s like oh I’m going to buy a Lamborghini in California and he was actually heading in the right direction 10 hours away but yeah and they take him back home and then the news comes out there’s an article talking about this kid that took the car and luckily nobody was hurt it could have been serious damage all these things and somebody sent me the article and was just like I can see you doing this as a kid and I was like, well I was 12 when I took my parents car for the first time so this kid’s got me by a few years but I thought it I was really inspired I was like this is amazing like there was a lot of negative publicity about reckless parents someone should call DCFS this kid could have killed somebody all this negativity right and I was like I’m inspired by this kid so I sent a message to the editor and said hey can you put me in touch with the family and I I’ve got a Lamborghini and I’d love to make this kid’s dream come true and the next day I get a call from the from the newspaper and they said hey we got to hold of the parents they are willing to do it they asked when you could and I said well I live about an hour and a half away I could be there in an hour and a half they’re like okay and they said come so I showed up I was expecting the family to be there but when I pulled onto the street there was probably 40 people there his aunts, his uncles, his cousins his family and every news station was there and I pulled up and gave this little kid a hug told him I wasad was okay and I took him for a ride in the lambo and you know they kind of interviewed me like why did you do this and I said well this kid exemplified everything that an entrepreneur you know and you and I had talked about and you had mentioned some of these things too was like he knew what he wanted, he had a clear vision of what he wanted and maybe he was a little out of line. I’m not suggesting kids don’t listen to their parents but like he didn’t take no for an answer and that’s also a very important quality if you’re going to have success in life right and then he overcame a objections he found a way he lifted the seat he did what he could he found what he could as far as the money right and then he took off and he took immediate Massive Action imperfect you know and maybe misdirected but at the end of the day he went after it and that was inspiring to me and so I wanted to bring that closer and man that that article went Bonkers people were like you you are encouraging bad behavior like it was I was villainized and it came out in I think I got that sent to me in like six different languages and the every news called me every news station. The Wall Street Journal they all called and interviewed me it was in the middle of Co and it was all negative stories and this was like a positive story controversial but positive and um that kid got a movie deal offer so I ended up like my attorneys ended up reviewing these things and kind of trying to help them out to make decisions on what they were doing DCFS got called so then they called us concerned about that I became a good friend of the family and I still his sister who was mortified and felt like she had like put everything at risk um reached out to me a few times and kind of built a friendship so I still follow her on Instagram she follows me we talk checking on on Adrian every every once in a while I gotta go do a do a round two with him he’s got to be close to 10 now but it was a really cool experience and and uh that’s awesome yeah it was fun do you know I’ve never Ren in your your Lambo really I’ve had it for five years four years the friend are you it’s outside so you got time let’s go yeah [Music] beautiful I love and respect you thank you brother Jeremy like to everything about who you are, who you’ve become. the heart that you have, the family that you’ve created, the obstacles that you’ve overcome personally and  the charity work that you have done to make a positive impact in the lives of others. I’m honored to call you my friend and I’m grateful that you came and spent some time with my audience today super super grateful for you it was an honor to be here thank you Paul good man love you thank you for joining us on the liberating Humanity podcast this was a beautiful beautiful interview one of my best friends on the planet if you like this please hit the like button subscribe send this to other people. Let’s get this positive message of making a difference in the world around you of achieving your dreams of fixing your own challenges of your life. Let’s get that out there. Thank you for joining us today.