Talking with Kevin and Sons Podcast

Kevin [00:00:18]

Welcome to another episode of talking with Kevin and son. You  know this show is all about people you should know. 

Kevin [00:00:30]

Our mission is through the power of story, is to uplift, share our voices, inspire, share stories and experiences and perspectives using the framework of teaching, learning and modeling. Our purpose is Hope, helping other people every single day. Now ladies and gentlemen I brought you many many many stories and introduced you to a lot of people but this is someone that everyone should know. He is probably one of the best kept secrets outside of Lake Placid, New York in the Golden Arrow Hotel. This is someone that you will play this podcast over and over and over again because we’re going to tell you some truths about life, happiness and business. My guest is the co-founder of Bridges Investments. It is a large Real Estate Investment Group based out of Salt Lake City Utah. Managing over 10 billion dollars in assets. My guest is known around the world for his philanthropy and his charitable contributions. His bio reads like a who’s who but he is dedicated to making a difference in the world. Matter of fact, he is focusing on being the change in children’s lives throughout the world. He is a Serial entrepreneur. Successful with 15 Bill businesses that he has created today. You will learn from the mouth of an expert the road map to achieving happiness and success and if you stick around long enough my guest will share with you a plan on how he plans on being the change this world needs to see. Ladies and gentlemen,  Mr Paul Hutchison. My guest, my friend, a true humanitarian. Welcome Paul to talking with Kevin and son. 

Paul Hutchinson [00:02:15]

Thank you Kevin. Super grateful for the opportunity to share with you and your audience some of these beautiful truths I have found in this journey called life. 

Kevin [00:02:26]

That’s all right. So Paul, you know I’ve met a lot of people throughout my life presidents, NBA players, NFL players and NBA women this that and so forth but the one thing is you know we can Google anything about you and know exactly what you do, who you are, what your net worth is and who the first wife is, second wife was and so forth but the one thing that we can’t find is who made the man. I know the example of the first man that’s in any man’s life is his father. The first woman he learns to love is his mother. I want to take you back just a little bit and tell me the gifts that you got from your parents, tell me a little bit about your parents Paul.

Paul Hutchinson [00:03:10]

My parents are wonderful, wonderful human beings. My mother grew up with a whole bunch of siblings in a very very small town and her mother felt very very sick when she was about 12 years old and there was no hospitals in her town for her to recover and so my grandfather went with her to the big city, back then it was Salt Lake and it was many hours away and my mother at 12 years old was left to raise these five younger siblings at the time for about six months on her own and it taught her and she had a challenging time but from there she learned to love, she learned to lead. My father came from a bloodline of royalty, his mother was a steward of England and whatnot but there was a coup back in the 1600s so there was. We didn’t have any royalty there but it’s beautiful because those relatives and that Heritage goes all the way back to people like William Wallace, a direct relative and that in the movie Braveheart Etc and some great leaders and some leaders who had some challenges but my parents themselves. The most beautiful council that my father ever gave me was when I was about 14 years old and I so badly wanted to be popular in school. I had buck teeth, I had braces and I asked him I said, Dad how do you make friends? How do you become successful? What does that look like? And we had a number of conversations about what that looked like and treating every other human being as an equal and loving them for who they are, not for what they have, not from where they’re from and then he gave me a book by Dale Carnegie “How to Win Friends and Influence People” And people joke about the title saying you know, this is how to manipulate people. It’s really not, it’s about looking at every other person and understanding that their life is important to them and the drop of Honey is going to attract more flies than a gallon of gall type of thing like that and living from a place of the heart and then the audio program he gave me was Brian Tracy’s psychology of achievement and that laid the foundation for me understanding that it wasn’t just my actions that created value in the world but my words and even my thoughts could create a world of abundance or a world of scarcity a world of fear or a world of love and by changing the negative thought patterns I had about myself. When I looked in the mirror instead of seeing a boy with buck teeth and braces, I could see myself as somebody with a good heart Who Loved people, who worked hard to make a positive impact in the lives of others and worked hard to create value to the world around me and as I saw that and I started changing how I saw myself then I indeed was able to start transforming the world around me and not only what I attracted, they talk about the law of attraction. It’s in reality, the law of creation. It’s this beautiful life that unfortunately we are held back with these perceptions of ourself and by Breaking Free of those I was able to have a beautiful life of expansion that I wasn’t able to have when I didn’t understand the principles. So those were some beautiful gifts that my parents gave me. I grew up in a very religious home. I’m not tied to any religion now. I have a beautiful relationship with my Creator and I follow that light of truth, that intuition that all of us has to help guide my life in a way that brings about prosperity for myself and others and brings about love for my family and expands it out to others Etc. So those were some beautiful truths I got from my parents early on.

Kevin [00:07:53]

Now what did your father do for a living while you were growing up?

Paul Hutchinson [00:07:57]

He was in sales in a concrete company and he worked very hard. Traveled a lot in sales for this concrete company and then somewhere around 16-17 years old we had a sit down as a family and he said guys he said, just so you know either next week I’m going to be out of a job or we’re going to be on the path to even a healthier lifestyle and so that he was making a bid to take over his company and that’s what he ended up doing. He ended up buying out some of the other principles and being a business owner and that was absolutely transformational time because it was scary for us as a family but he took that leap of faith and put in the bid to start buying out the partners in the company.

Kevin [00:08:54]

What was your first job with your dad? And the reason why I’m asking this is because our stories are so much alike, first jobs and so forth. So I kind of know some of the answers to the questions that I’m asking. What was your first job? Was it with debt or was it your paper route?

Paul Hutchinson [00:09:14]

No. Actually, it was kind of like that but it was very very young. So when we were really young we didn’t have a lot of money and my dad and mom had taken on a second side business, cleaning companies. They cleaned the bank that was down the street and so we would get up with them at about 4am – 5am and we would go and empty garbage and help vacuum the floor. We were just kids. I mean, I was eight – nine years old and then we got a bigger bigger job cleaning the real estate realtors office. It was like a three-story building and now it was me and my sisters and my mom and dad we were in there before my dad even went into to work and I remember pulling, they had this big printer that had a bunch of aluminum things that they were using, they would throw them away and I remember pulling those out of the garbage can so that we could turn them in with our pop cans so that we could get enough money so that we could go to Disneyland that year and  just collecting the pop cans and stuff and it was character building work and that was a very young age. That’s what we were doing was working helping stuff with that and I started my first company because I was so excited about running a company and I actually had a worm selling company when I was eight. I found out that if I watered the lawn really good that the worms, the big night crawlers would come up and I could collect them and I could go out on the street because there was a river that fishermen did just down and so I could go out there and as they were driving by I had a little stand I would sell in the worms and I was like a dollar a dozen but that was a lot of money my little kid and every dollar that I earned I would either go buy some donuts with it which were like 15 cents a dozen or if I wanted to spend a whole dollar I could buy a Hot Wheels car you know. I’d get like these cool tries this little collection of Hot Wheels cars that I got from cell and worms and then my dad he uh he said Paulie said there’s a there’s a way that you could get the worms out better than just watering it like that I said wow what do I do? It he came up with this little tool it was a it was a steel um he put this thing in like a steel horseshoe and he he wrapped half of a of a electric wire around it and put tape on it black you know electrical tape so I wouldn’t shock myself and he told me to pound that into the ground and then plug it in and it sent this electrical current in all the night crawlers came up and I was like, oh I’m rich and then I would go around to the neighbors and said hey I’d like to get all the extra worms out of your yard and I plug it in all their nights so I had all of these worms and so then I could get lots of Hot Wheels cars it’s amazing when I say and I told this to your assistant our stories line up if literally you put a sheet of paper a transfer paper over your story I will tell you that and it’s hard to believe that my grandmother was an entrepreneur. She was doing house cleaning and as eight and nine years old I went weather itself when I was living we lived in a cul-de-sac in Dayton Ohio 710 shoot that I started cutting grass because I realized that the seasons change or whatever and we didn’t have a lot of money either just like your parents and before long I had all the houses there were eight houses in the cul-de-sac that had all the Eight houses and I did snow removal lease removal cut the grass and whatever and when my buds found out what I was doing and what I was making money what happened was my grandfather put together a second lawnmower and I rented it out to my neighbors I still collected to 25 and I paid each one of my friends five dollars to do the job and all I did was supervisors.

Kevin [00:12:14]

So your father introduced you without saying entrepreneurship and you were open to collectively developing your own business. That’s an amazing story. A 16-17 years of age.

Paul Hutchinson [00:12:19]

That was eight or nine and then by the time I was 12 13 14 I had a lawn mowing thing. I went around with our lawnmower after I did my chores at home and knocked on the neighbor’s doors and say if I can mow their lawns for them. So exactly the same path.

Kevin [00:13:45]

Well I have a personal question. You play sports in school? Were you popular with the girls because you’re a good looking guy.

Paul Hutchinson [00:13:49]

No I wasn’t. Actually, I mean I was okay but because I have really buck teeth and braces and stuff, I have low self-esteem early on. I did play rugby. I played football for just the summer season and stuff and then I ended up playing some rugby. I was pretty smart. After I kind of overcame some of my self-esteem issues. I decided to run for office and I lost so many times. I lost in running for like five different offices in junior high and high school but then in 11th grade I ran for student body vice president which was a big deal because we had a pretty big school and I lost. They told me I lost by four votes and there was thousands of kids at our schools, they recounted it multiple times but the principal came to me after Lawson he said, Paul , we actually were rooting for you because we believe you can bring people together and we have watched you. You’re really popular with the smart kids because I was in all the AP classes and the college classes that were in high school. He said, you’re popular with the sports kids because of some of the things you played, back then we had the punkers, the Rockers and the waivers, you know. We had totally different that we’re kind of fighting against each other but I had friends on all of those sites and so he recruited me to lead something, start something called the peer leadership team which brought together people of different cultures and people of different you know mindsets and stuff and had activities and helped kids with drug and alcohol abuse and created a counseling program for children who were suicidal or had home issues and stuff like that and so it was a blessing that I didn’t win that student body office because I was able to do so much more good in that. In really getting down to helping these peers, these kids with important things in their lives not just being student body president, vice president. 

Kevin [00:16:09]

So that’s all right. Being a young entrepreneur and being academic the way that you were probably sought after by some of the top schools throughout out the country. You sound like you’re well educated not only in life but in a literal sense as far as Academia and so forth. Did you start your business while you’re in school? Your first business in school and where did you graduate?

Paul Hutchinson [00:16:34]

Well on the contrary, I’m actually number one, I worked my butt off for my grades but I didn’t get a scholarship. I had like a three-point. I didn’t remember what it was, maybe a three eight or whatever but maybe I just didn’t fill out enough paperwork or whatever but I didn’t get a scholarship. I went to the University of Utah and my goal was actually to be a doctor. I wanted to be since I was 10 years old. I was trying to decide between business and medicine and my dad told me you’re not going to be very good at business and I said, why he said because you’re not very good at kissing butt he said he said you know you’re not very good with authority and in his world you know he started at the bottom and worked his way up and you have to kiss but and so we never really talked about being an entrepreneur and he said you’re a smart kid let’s look at things in business and so I decided at a young age I wanted to be a doctor a Pediatric Cardiologist not a regular doctor but a surgeon, not a regular surgeon but a heart surgeon and not a regular heart surgeon but a heart surgeon that helps children and fast forward now that I’m a philanthropist I really believe that my words and my actions and the Charities I work with are still being a heart surgeon on children a heart doctorate and it’s not just for the children I believe that my role is to help heal the heart of the 10 year old inside of every 30 40 50 year old man or woman and we can talk about that later but being that passion for really helping people and changing their hearts but what happened is the reason why that changed I was two months away from taking the MCAT. I was going to the University of Utah and I had taken a lot of my medical pre-med classes in high school, the college stuff and I had done a couple year service Mission and then came back and was ready to take the MCAT and I got in a major car accident and I severed all the tendons in my hand and I still have I-80 in my hand 20-25 years later and at the time it was a mess and they didn’t know if I’d even have the dexterity to be a surgeon and what’s sad Kevin is I had spent 15 years in intense piano study. I was almost a concert pianist. I was earning money teaching piano and playing at concerts and stuff and in one second I wasn’t able to play the piano and they didn’t know if what I’d been working for my entire life if I could do that and the surgeon said Paul I don’t know if you’ll have the dexterity to be a surgeon after we’re done with this. He said you could be a regular doctor and my answer was this I said, I don’t want to be a regular anything. I didn’t want to be a doctor. I want to be a surgeon and a heart surgeon. I Got One Life to Live. I’m going to make an impact and I told him this I said, if I’m gonna be a garbage man, I’m gonna own the dump that’s just how I think you know. I want to make an impact and I want to and so I was introduced to a guy, kind of a friend of the family who was pretty successful in business.

Kevin [00:20:00]

Well, do me one favor because I want to do an original interview because this sounds a lot like the interview that we’ve done before. I want to pull back a little bit. I want my viewers to know you. I got a different audience. One of the things you said, you read a book called “How to win and Friends and Influence People” How many brothers and sisters do you have?

Paul Hutchinson [00:20:17]

Four sisters.

Kevin [00:20:18]

Four sisters, so you’re the only boy. Poor thing you never got a chance to use the bathroom.

Paul Hutchinson [00:20:22]

Exactly. 

Kevin [00:20:25]

I want to know that book. How did it impact your relationship with your family members and your friends? And then we’ll start to come over and talk about you know. How to build happiness and talk about what success means.

Paul Hutchinson [00:20:43]

Absolutely. Well what changed as I came to understand that every single person that I talk to is a thousand times more interested in themselves than they are me you know. And we come across thinking the whole world’s about us, especially growing up we don’t know where to, you know. How to place ourselves and I came to understand that if I could truly put myself in their shoes, so if I could imagine what it was like to be them, to be the middle sibling instead of me being the oldest, being you know. my one sister was dyslexic, if I could really put myself in her shoes and understand how that would affect her ability to really learn a school and read and things like that I  changed simply how I saw every other person and it wasn’t about me and that I could have deep relationships with people by paying attention to them, by paying attention to what words were coming out of their mouth and the feelings that they have and truly see things and life from their perspective. That changed everything for me. I started feeling compassion for my mom for having that massive responsibility when she was a kid and the fact that she’s now kind of over raising kids. So she kind of let us do whatever and for my dad being the middle child and having a mother that I believe really never knew how to love. For years I was upset that my dad never said the words I love you and never really hugged me and I thought wow! Why? I mean he taught me beautiful principles but was missing that.

Kevin [00:22:50]

How did that make you feel? When your father never told you he loved you. We have the same story.

Paul Hutchinson [00:22:56]

Yeah I knew he loved me because his love language was Acts of service and he would do it all the time and he would never yell at me and he never hit me and there was never. He created a safe environment but I realized that he didn’t have the ability and it hurt. The very first time I actually heard the words I love Paul. The very first time I was 19 years old, getting ready to leave on a two-year service mission and he was speaking to a group and telling them I want Paul to know that I love him and he wasn’t even directly at me and I thought wow! That was the first time in it and but today you know he hugs me all the time and loves me all the time because I was able to show that to him. I kind of forced him through it by hugging him through it and just saying dad I love you every time we met but yeah it did affect me. My mom said I loved you all the time and I knew my Dad loved me but for every kid there’s something inside this, like am I not good enough? Is there things I need to do to earn that love and I want to help everybody feel that they don’t have to look outside themselves to be worth something, to be valued.

Kevin [00:23:06]

Who were the first persons that you loved? And how old were you at that time and why did you love them?

Paul Hutchinson [00:24:26]

I loved my sisters. I’m telling you 

Kevin [00:24:29]

Which one was your favorite?

Paul Hutchinson [00:24:31]

Well Tiffany. Tiffany was the closest. She’s the oldest and then there was Angela so she was the third and when we were kids, those girls loved me, I loved them, I would you know. I’d beat up anybody that try to hurt them in any way and we decided we wanted to be a family. We had all these songs that we would sing and we didn’t have you know our vacations. We would be in the back of the pickup truck. My parents would be upfront with the windows closed. My dad put a shell over the back and we would spend eight hours sitting in the back of this pickup truck on this carpet singing songs and we were the PTA kids Paul, Tiffany, Angela and then Amy came along so then we’re like the PTAA kids that didn’t sound right and then Alicia came along PDAAE so we had to we watched that but yeah my sisters we’re super close. Beautiful beautiful relationship growing up.

Kevin [00:25:33]

And who was the first person who broke your heart?

Paul Hutchinson [00:25:41]

Hmm broke my heart. I had a lot when I was in first grade. I had a girlfriend and it was super special because the teacher thought it was so cute even in the pictures of our first grade class. It was me and her name was Vanessa and we were so close all the time. I would walk her home and I lived right across the street from the school. She lived as far away as you could get from the school and I would walk her all the way home every day and I would give her my graham crackers and milk if she wanted it during the little you know in first grade and that was in kindergarten and first grade and then that and then her parents decided to move to Tennessee and that broke my heart because I didn’t really have a girlfriend for years after. That was beautiful as she ended up becoming an NFL cheerleader and I ended up marrying a girl now that’s a whole other story we can talk about later.

Kevin [00:26:43]

We are going to talk about that later on but I’m getting to this. 

Paul Hutchinson [00:26:47]

I’m married to somebody named Vanessa. I knew it in first grade. I was going to be with somebody named Vanessa. So here I am.

Kevin [00:26:55]

And My First Kiss was Vanessa Birdsong. Like I told you our lives are you know wine. The reason why I want to ask this is and the way I want my guests to get to know you all right because a successful businessman we have a tendency to recant our successes at the same times we’re trying to get to know who we are and we talk about our businesses and our successes and that’s not who we are as I love it as people. If I were to ask, what’s your oldest son’s name?

Paul Hutchinson [00:27:26]

Well I have twins Jordan and Jaden. Jaden is two minutes older than Jordan. 

Kevin [00:27:32]

If I would ask Jaden and Jordan right now, what is your one favorite thing? What would your son say on your phone? 

Paul Hutchinson [00:27:41]

What is my favorite thing?

Kevin[00:27:43]

Yeah, what is your one favorite thing the dad likes to do? 

Paul Hutchinson [00:27:47]

Listen to audio programs on leadership and successes plenty. One of them told me dad the only reason you like 80s music is that’s the last thing you ever heard because I will be in the cars and I’ll be so excited about the new Tony Robbins thing or whatever else and I ended up buying, years ago I bought LeBron James’s Range Rover from him. Yeah I mean, this thing had 80 000 worth of sixty thousand dollar subwoofers in the back with all this other stuff and my kids joked and said, dad what are you gonna do? Listening to your motivational audio things on your sixty thousand dollar subwoofers. So they would probably say that would be. A valuable thing is that ability to gain knowledge from others, from a thing standpoint. I’ve really tried to not be attached to things even in this house. My ex-wife wanted to buy this house and I was like, I’m not interested. I’m really not. The only way I’m interested in a home like that is if we can use it for charity events and things like that. That we can bring good people together and so you know that’s from a different standpoint. I really am not attached but. 

Kevin [00:29:16]

How old are your twins right now?

Paul Hutchinson [00:29:19]

They’re 27. 

Kevin [00:29:22]

If I were to ask them the one memory that they have, that they shared with their dad, what memory would that be?

Paul Hutchinson [00:29:32]

Hmm. Maybe our beautiful trip to Hawaii. That we were going to go for a week and we ended up just staying for weeks and weeks and it was beautiful and connecting and it was a vacation of a lifetime. We didn’t have enough money for a vacation like that but you know I sacrificed and stayed and it was a beautiful time with them.

Kevin [00:30:00]

All right. All right. So the reason why I’m asking this is because the one thing that I hear constantly in Myspace is what people are going to do what they want to do and they don’t have time to do it and if I had time I would like to do it and part of the conversation always say the same 60 seconds here in the United States is the same 60 seconds in China or you name it anyplace else. It’s what you do with your time. When I was asked the same question with my children it was eye-opening and they said the one thing that I would like with my dad is more time and I was trying to see where we went from that, what does time mean to you? How do you value your time well? 

Paul Hutchinson [00:30:44]

Number one. We all have heard it so many times that time is the one thing you don’t get back. I think that unfortunately we box ourselves into this Paradigm. The thinking in finite terms of money and finite terms of time and finite terms of relationships and job opportunities and everything we think so finite and changing that perspective and realizing that there is so much more than what we understand and that’s a whole different conversation about what comes Beyond this but for this life I believe you can’t chill time without injuring eternity, you know wasting a minute is. Now what you have to understand is that Define wasting you know. You can’t be running full time. Balance is so important and you know last night after church we had some time as a family and my daughter wanted to do this, this yoga thing as the family and we all kind of went down in the gym and we all were doing this yoga. It was beautiful and then she did this sound bath audio and at first I was thinking okay what do I got to do now? What do I got to do now? What do I got to do now? I realized this is the best use of my time. Right now I’m not doing anything productive. I’m laying here on a mat listening to the sound Bone music here with the family and you know years ago, my first wife, she jokes all the time she says, let me tell you about Paul in time. One time she said she was sitting in bed and she was reading and I was asleep because I had a long hard day and she said, Paul stood she sat up in bed and said what’s the best use of my time right now? What’s the best use of my time right now? And then he said sleeping and he lay back down and so yes ask yourself, What’s the best use of my time right now but understand that the best use of your time right now might be something completely unproductive that is healing to the soul. That is connecting with other people, that is resting your body and your soul and so I’ve changed that perspective of what’s the best thing you use in my time and just hit it hard to understanding that balance is super valuable. 

Kevin [00:33:36]

Yes, that was beautifully said. Well, we are doing our Icebreaker conversation. We both said that we have little statements that are in our office or in our house that remind us of things that trigger us to stay on point. In my office there’s a pillow that reads, there are two destroyers of terrain procrastination, giving up on yourself. Doing the Icebreaker conversation you meant you mentioned there were two worst enemies to success, do you remember what those were?

Paul Hutchinson [00:34:07]

The worst enemies to success. I’m trying to remember what I said on that. I remember my initial statement that some of my offices.

Kevin [00:34:16]

You said, some self-discipline is the key to success and the lack of self-discipline is the cause of most people’s failures. 

Paul Hutchinson [00:34:26]

Yeah yeah there’s and you have to ask yourself, what that discipline is? You know. Unfortunately some people think that self-discipline is driving, driving, driving, driving and success success success but sometimes self-discipline is in turning off the cell phone and turning off the computer to spend that special time with your family. Sometimes people think that self-discipline is the most productive thing but really what it is, is asking yourself what are the most valuable things in your life and what kind of things do I need to do between here and there to ensure that those things are taken care of. Those relationships with your family and that inner peace and health in your body you know is self-discipline. Working a 15-16 hour day and forgetting to eat and grabbing a Big Mac and a Slurpee on the way home. No, self-discipline might be slowing down and making sure that you’re feeding your body something that is healthy and for your soul and your body itself and so yes that’s a super powerful thing self-discipline but it needs to be in line with what is really important if that makes sense.

Kevin [00:35:56]

That makes a lot of sense and that was well spoken. You put words together pretty good. If I put music to that I can probably win a Grammy with that Let It Go. Hey Paul you know when I talk about the road map to achieving happiness and success we have to Define what happiness is for everyone. It’s different sometimes I mean you know like every emotion, every quote you know people think they’re strong words. They’re emotional happiness is an emotion, how do you define happiness? And how does happiness cross over to success? 

Paul Hutchinson [00:36:29]

Absolutely. So I really came to understand the principle of happiness in my 20s. I had a company that helped people overcome anxiety and depression disorders and I spoke with I estimate somewhere around 20 000 people from the time I was 21 years old until I was 29 and sold the company and that had anxiety and depression to the point where it was debilitating. Where they couldn’t work a normal job and they couldn’t be the mother or father they wanted to be and they really weren’t happy. They weren’t happy and what was interesting is these people ranged from ultra wealthy to completely broke. They were, you know, thin and fat. They were every every culture, every every type of person. There wasn’t anything one type of person rich or poor whatever that had. It was tied to, In most cases the perceptions they had of themselves that when they look in the mirror and that man or woman that they see and the trauma that they choose to hold on to or let go of and the goals that they have and the progress they were making and I came to understand that in most cases happiness came from two things. Number one was personal growth and personal progression and the other one was helping other people progress and they were stuck because of their negative habit patterns of thought because of their perceptions of themselves because they weren’t growing in some way. If we could help them change what they saw when they looked in the mirror. What they said to themselves over and over again. If we could help them change that and help them Break Free of that and just roadblock that was preventing them from growing and help them set new goals whatever. If they started to get in better shape physically or build a new relationship or doing something in their job you look back at your life the times where you’re stuck and you’re beating yourself up for things that are people away from happiness yet when you’re growing in some way whatever. If you’re progressing and growing in some way there’s happiness that comes from that and then you ask people you know, what was your greatest joy this last year? A lot of times it was helping somebody else progress. So it was when my son took his first steps or my daughter was in that recital and played that piece whatever. Seeing and helping another person progress creates happiness as well. So people are searching for happiness in all the wrong areas. People will search for him on the money side. Now when I have this much, I’m going to be happy. No it’s the journey, it’s the progress on the way, it’s not one yet, oh wow I have this big check now and I buy this new car but it’s the journey along the way because it’s personal progression and helping others progress that create that happiness. 

Kevin [00:39:53]

Oh you’re like Tony Robinson. You’re dropping a lot of nuggets as they would say in my neighborhood before we go on to the second half of this podcast. How do people get in touch with you? And the other thing is, do you have a book out or something someone can acquire on how to be successful by Paul Hutchison?

Paul Hutchinson [00:40:!4]

I don’t yet but I’m writing a couple that will be coming out. I have one that I believe is tied to charity, happiness, success and everything and it’s all about listening to your heart and really tuning in to that. Getting out of your head and all the logic and all the crap that you’ve been saying to yourself but understanding that every one of us were born with this ability to feel and recognize truth and to learn how to listen to that. To guide you through some beautiful things. So that’ll be coming out in the next few months. The to get in touch with me, you can go to Paul hutchinsonofficial.com or look at me online, if that’s too long to write out go online and type in www.soulhealer007 because of my undercover work Soul healer 007.com we’ll link you right into my Facebook page and everything else Soul healer 007 or you can just look me up under Paul Hutchinson official and I’ve now opened up social media. We were talking earlier. I’ve been off all of those things for the last 10 years. I still had a LinkedIn and stuff but I was doing some charity work, some undercover work and helping to rescue children. You know that’s a whole other podcast. A whole different conversation but because of that I didn’t have anything public and people told me for a long time Paul you need to write a book. You need to go public and I  couldn’t. In fact I was in a conversation with you brought him up with Tony Robbins and Tony had seen one of the rescue missions and about six-seven years ago and he told me he said, Paul the world needs to hear your stories but while you’re doing undercover work, the world can’t know who you are and so you know here we are six years later in deciding okay, now it’s time. It’s time to share these stories of light and Love and Hope and true success in a way that I believe I can help people heal from the inside out. So that we can we can fix problems like that and other bigger issues within families in a way where we can heal the heart and then Heal the World.

Kevin [00:42:43]

And to my listeners, there’s a reason why Paul Hutchison is on talking with Kevin and Son. There’s the reason why I have not asked the staple question, give me five key points in order to build a successful business and the reason why I’m not asking those questions because if Think and Grow Rich really made a lot of people Rich everyone that’s read the book would be a lot richer today than they were when they first purchased the book because action is what it’s all about. I have a podcast every Sunday called, “Motivational Sundays with Kevin and friends. We threw out quotes. One of the quotes that I had landed with me and I want to see what you think it says your success in life depends more on the person that you’ve become than the things that you do or require by Aristotle. What is your interpretation on perception based on that quote?

Paul Hutchinson [00:43:41]

That is Kevin. That is everything right there. Everything and I can say from experience and you know a little correction on the intro. The fund’s actually over 40 billion not 10 but I didn’t build it to that, I give all the glory to God and the people that are still running it Etc. but that created a situation in me where years ago I wasn’t Paul Hutchinson. I was Paul effin Hutchinson and that ego and that negative energy created difficult relationships and animosity and it was unhealthy in every way and it wasn’t until I came to a very close connection with my savior. With my Creator in a way where I could bring my life into alignment. I am a hundred times happier today than I ever was and this house where we decided after arriving to that point we’re selling it. We’re getting rid of all of The Bling and the crap that you know made me feel all important and have senators and attorneys and celebrities and NBA players over here for parties. No, that’s not what it’s about and the being able to to get my life on Center and get to a place where I could lead from the heart. I could teach from the heart. I could Inspire truly from the heart not from a position of look at me, look at me here’s where I am but come to a place where I can give it all away and be just as good with myself as if I could write a big check or I have a big house or anything like that. So becoming that person of Integrity and understanding there’s only one person that’s ever lived that was perfect and that ain’t me and that ain’t you. So all of us have room to grow and if we hold on to all that crap of our past and we aren’t able to get to a place of true christ-like love for ourselves and letting go of Judgment of other people and of ourselves, of realizing that man that was out of Integrity is not the man that I am today. I can let that go and I can step into this new place of light that it is liberating and so much more fulfilling than all the money in the world. 

Kevin [00:46:23]

Let me ask you a question Paul. All right guys. Matter of fact I just want to tell you I’m going to correct Google. Google says it’s 43 billion. So you said 40 billion. So whoever is updating your history needs to be checked. Edit it.  Every single successful person I’ve ever spoken to I would say 90% not every has been in a dark place, has basically hit rock bottom before they became the man or woman that they are. Share with us your darkest hour. Where did you fail?

Pau Hutchinson [00:47:01]

Because I had put so much focus on business and success and what that looked like. I had two failed marriages and I joke many times and for the last 10 years and I tell people yeah Someday I’m gonna write three books one on building a big company and that’ll be a bestseller and one on philanthropy and that’ll be a bestseller but my book I write on my relationships with women in my life is “how the hell do I get off the short bus” because I was making just bad decisions. So many times. My entire life was filled with frustration. When it came to my personal life and my transformation actually came at a Tony Robbins event. I was there with 15 000 people there and he has this part where he has you identify something in your business that is not where you want to be and you visualize it and he takes you there emotionally back away and I thought you know what, I’ve done this to build companies. I’ve done this too. I’ve used this principle of writing down exactly what I want and seeing it and feeling it. I never did that in my personal life and I spent the next two hours writing down all the details of the woman in my life. How the woman in my life shows up for me and how I show up for her and our relationship with God and how I show up for her children and that. All of these things that this energetic connection is beautiful and what’s amazing is that everything that I wrote down in less than two months came into my life because I had asked for what I wanted and I shed all of that crap. All of that ego, all of that Pride all of those things that really didn’t qualify me for having a healthy relationship and I was able to let that all go once I clearly defined what it is that I wanted and wrote it down. I joke with Vanessa all the time. I tell her I created you. I wrote down all of these things that was a healthy relationship and what that looked like and that and the man that I needed to be to qualify for that relationship. So that was the bottom of the barrel for me. That was the despair as I’m two failed marriages. I mean, do I even try again but it took taking a hard look at myself and asking myself why.

Kevin [00:49:56]

And that’s the question itself and leading into the next couple of questions. 

I have to ask you and we’ll wrap this up shortly but we’ve got a lot of good stuff coming up for you everyone here. Good friend of mine, Carl Eller, wrote a book “Without character you have nothing”. Does that resonate with you? What does character mean? 

Paul Hutchinson [00:50:16]

Absolutely yeah. Character. I see it as number one. It’s how I genuinely see other people, not just the talking yeah yeah goodly and I’ll give you a hug. You do a great job but from my heart deep down inside. How I feel about my fellow man, about every single person that I meet. Is there judgment there? Is there pride in me thinking I’m better than them in any way? That kind of energy is out of character and is out of integrity and integrity I see is tied to character. Integrity is doing the right thing even when nobody would ever know that you didn’t do the right thing. That’s what true Integrity is and that takes true character and sometimes character comes from the hardest times in our life. People say, oh I love to live a life with no pain, with no challenges and you know what the greatest character building experiences are the difficult times in our lives that help us realize you know what, I can do this. I can get through this. I can withstand this and I can do it in a way where I’m not blaming and I’m not pushing that negative on other people and I’m taking that responsibility and I’m loving people for who they are. All of these things are things that come from the challenges.

Kevin [00:51:57]

Yeah yeah you speak. So well I got to get a job like you. Do you believe the first measure of success is Conquering yourself?

Paul Hutchinson [00:52:06]

Absolutely absolutely but it’s not. I would say, I would change the words Kevin from conquering yourself to truly loving yourself with unconditional love and letting go of everything that doesn’t serve the man of integrity. The man of character, the man of success that you want or woman in moving forward and so it’s not beating into submission that past version of me instead it’s letting it go just releasing it. Allowing God to cleanse that and embracing a light and a love and a transformation of where I want to be that’s what it’s about. Not conquering but accepting this new version and seeing it and believing it from deep inside. This new version of yourself and embracing this vision of who you want to be and seeing it as it is today. Shaving that millionaire even before you’re not one in the mirror and seeing that good father. Who’s that good husband and wife, who is loyal and this relationship and has Integrity in every business deal and every action. Seeing that, embracing that and simply letting go of that person. That is not you today. 

Kevin [00:53:44]

In my business they talk about the 80-20 rule. That 20% of people produce 80% of what we enjoy in life and then everyone else just kind of adds to it. Is Success predictable? 

Paul Hutchinson [00:53:57]

I would say so but you have to define success. there. Yeah you’re saying, is it predictable? That this person’s gonna become a billionaire you know what, here’s the thing, I believe it’s predictable if you could really get inside of what’s going on inside of here, Inside their mind and inside their heart. If you can really understand what’s going on here and here then yes you can actually predict where things are going to be a year five years from now because those things will be in line with your dominant thoughts and where your heart is set and will direct your life to a life of abundance from a relationship standpoint or abundance from a interpersonal connection standpoint or a relationship with your kids or even financially yes and from an 80-20 rule. I love that principle when it comes to time management. I really do. I actually communicate that with my employees. I’ll say listen, I need you to get the cars all cleaned but I’m okay with an 80-20. Meaning you can spend 20 minutes on washing it or 15 minutes and washing it it’s just fine because we’re going to the ranch it’s going to get dirty again anyway. I don’t need you cleaning with the toothbrush because 80% of getting that clean is going to be done in 20% of the time you spend another three hours on it. Yeah we’re gonna have you know every single fly taken out of the grill in the front Etc and so that’s how I’ve understood the 80-20 principle is in time management and saying how can I be most effective in creating a large impact with my time because I only have a certain amount. I’ve never actually heard it put as you said where twenty percent of the people are going to have eighty percent of the impact in your life. Even smaller than that I would say a very very very small group of that inner circle for my life are the ones that are 99 percent of the impact in my soul and my life and my trajectory moving forward is maybe only five or six people. Such a powerful impact. 

Kevin [00:56:24]

I agree and if you ever hear me think, I always say that there’s a reason why God gave you five digits. All right each of those digits stand for something if you look at a star or the star David there’s five digits and each of them means something to a person’s soul and how they connect to the Earth. Early on in the conversation you mentioned Tony Robbins. I am good friends with a guy by the name of Les Browns. I’ve met Tony Robbins. I’ve been in many Arenas with motivational speakers. I had Craig Valentine on as a guest, an amazing public speaker, first person that ever won as a rookie the one Toastmasters national championship. I know a lot of people that through covet went into business on their own. How important is it to a person to read, attend workshops, seminars, speakers and whatever and learn from experts when you’re starting your business? Now we’re talking about success and growing a business.

Paul Hutchinson [00:57:28]

So I was asked many years ago, Paul, when after I become successful in my company what’s the most valuable use of my money. What’s the most important thing I should invest in and my answer is this, the most valuable thing that you can invest in is yourself. I had a mentor years ago that told me Paul the most valuable piece of real estate you’ll ever own is the six inches between your ears you develop that, everything else is opportunities for you. In fact something really valuable, somebody asked me the other day. Paul I would love to be able to get just half an hour with somebody like Tony you know and I asked him this, I said, tell me this, what do you think he would tell you in that half an hour that he’s not already telling you in his books and his tapes and his seminars? So spending time with Les Brown oh that would be beautiful but guess what, you can buy his tapes, you can go to his seminars and you can get his best material. He’s not holding anything back, he’s sharing from his heart and he’s teaching you things that are transforming for his life and so many others. So that’s the reason why my mentor early on told me Paul, your car should be a university on wheels. From now on, I don’t even want you to know if your car radio works, there’s audio programs and on business and Leadership and relationships and success that you can just fill in your mind with. So yes the most valuable thing you can invest in today is not gold, is not silver, is not real estate, it is not crypto. The most valuable thing that you can invest in today is yourself because no matter where the Market goes that is something that you can expand into beautiful abundance in all areas of your life. 

Kevin [00:59:28]

Well you’re just taking my map to his podcast right. In a direction where I wanted to be and the funny thing is you know you said about my relationship with less. I actually was his trainer. I saw him five days a week, he was the fastest first black person of color to get a morning talk show and he set a record for the first person to get fired for that morning talk show. I actually bought him his own tapes to give to him. I was introduced to him as Leslie C Brown and I had stayed up you know many a nights and I watched this guy that was so charismatic and I said, oh that I wish I can do this. I should have tapes out and I bought the tapes to give to him and did not realize that I was training Les Brown. I bought him his own motivational tapes. That leads me to one thing that I always say, this is my thing and it’s just for me, when you’re starting a business and you can Echo this to be true. I mean, you’re a lot more successful on the level that you’re at but I think we’re on the same level when he says we say success on life and we’ll talk about your charity soon is staying physically and mentally in shape and is it something that’s extremely important in building a business and how you relate and interact with people that work with you and for you?

Paul Hutchinson [01:00:51]

Absolutely Kevin. In fact the worst thing that can happen is for you to spend your years and years building a business and finally achieving financial success and then have your health to a point where you can enjoy. In fact I can’t tell you how many people who they have let their health go to crap and they would trade anything, they would trade their Lamborghinis in their nice house and all of this stuff, they would trade to have that Health back again and so that as you’re defining success in your life and you’ve got to make sure that you take into consideration all the different areas of success and I tell people, okay, what does success look for you financially? That’s a little teeny piece of pie, you look at this pie financial success is only a little piece, another piece of the pie is how is your success from a health standpoint 10-20 years from now and then your relationships and then your philanthropy and the lives that you’re changing in your travel and your time and all of these are different pieces of the pie that you need to make sure that you have equal balance in all of them because money is only a tool that can help enhance a lot of other things but it should only be a part of that whole success picture and health should be number one because you can’t travel without your health and you can’t drive your nice cars without your health and you can’t build a relationship and continue relationship with your family without your health. All of the other pictures and pieces of this pie are negatively influenced. If you don’t have your health.

Kevin [1:02:35]

And I hope whoever’s listening to this while you’re sitting in Starbucks that you make you a number one priority. Now I got three more questions to ask you before I ask you your ass. What’s your relationship with excuses?

Paul Hutchinson [1:02:52]

So I had a license plate on my car when I was 23 years old that was N-O and the letter X-Q-S-E-S. No excuses because I think that the biggest enemy to success in all of those areas is excuses. Excuses and blame which are kind of the same thing. Blame is one of the most disempowering emotions you can have when you are making an excuse and it’s not just blaming other people. It’s blaming circumstances and those are all excuses, it’s shirking responsibility. The most empowering thing you can do is take responsibility, not only for your future but take responsibility for your past. Understand that yes there were hurt people that caused you pain. There were people out of Integrity that took things from you Etc but the second that we put the blame on them and use it as an excuse, don’t beat yourself up. I’m not saying, oh I’m a horrible person because I should have Shoulda Coulda Woulda don’t shoot on yourself either. Again don’t be yourself, that’s super important. So don’t boot yourself up for all of this stuff but take responsibility and say, you know what, I’m responsible. I now knowing what I know now as I move forward into a place of more success and more healthy relationships Etc. I’m going to learn from that. I’m going to take responsibility for my life up to this point and my life moving forward. That is a key to success in every single area and health and relationships and money and time and travel. Every single part of that pie is positively or negatively affected by your decision to take responsibility. To let go of blame and let go of any excuses of why it’s not your fault or why you can’t move forward.

Kevin [1:05:00]

All right. Is consistency really the key to success? 

Paul Hutchinson [1:05:07]

It’s an ingredient. It’s an ingredient. I mean, my wife right now said, she decided the other day she was gonna make homemade bread and she got all the ingredients right. She couldn’t find any yeast and she thought that baking powder would probably do the same thing and she put it in and it was still bread. It didn’t work out very well. I think you know there’s people that are successful that don’t have total consistency all the time but it helps a lot if you can be consistent everyday. Understand this though, nobody is consistent every day. We’re all gonna fall off the track. We’re all going to have a day or a week we’re like crap! I wasted that whole week and I didn’t do anything moving me towards my goals but you can always get back on track. You can always get consistent again and bring those things into your life.

Kevin [1:06:13]

I’m sorry Paul in business and in life, how important is a man’s work or a woman’s word? 

Paul Hutchinson [1:06:20]

What is Men’s Work? 

Kevin [1:06:22]

How important is it man or woman or be whatever we label ourselves? How important is a person’s world in business and in life? 

Paul Hutchinson [1:06:34]

I’m telling you, what. If you are out of integrity and somebody can’t trust what you say and what you do? It will take years to try to rebuild that trust. In your relationships is the most important you know when you say to your kids, I will be at that ball game. You better be there and I’ll stop making excuses there better be unless the world burns up between now and then sticking by Your Word. If you can’t then stop giving your word to things that you don’t know you can fulfill and it’s so important to under promise and over deliver in your relationships, in your business life, in all areas of your life by saying okay because my word is so important, for me to say I’m going to be there at this time, you’re going to get this return or I’m going to be this whatever. It is you say you try to build that up just to build yourself up and try to convince people of something that will come back to bite you every single time under promise and over deliver make sure that you’re a man or a woman of your word in every part of your communication because trust the Speed Of Trust in building a business in building a life and building a relationship is everything 

Kevin [1:08:09]

All right Paul one more time, how do people get in touch with you? You’ve said so much and you’ve given so much great information. We know your heart now. We’re gonna wrap up this but I want to talk about your Charities and I want to talk about the conversation you had that the things you want to do going forward, you want to impact humanity and the world. You want to be the change to be and you’re going to be the example. We’re going to talk about that and then we’re going to wrap it up and I’ll ask you about your ass. How do people get in touch with you?

Paul Hutchinson [1:09:04]

Again You can follow me on social media Paul Hutchinson official. There’s no G in Hutchinson Paul h-u-t-c-h-i-n-s-o-n Paul hutchinsonofficial. com or you can Facebook or LinkedIn Etc but somebody told me on an earlier podcast Paul you need something simpler so last night I bought the domain Soul healer 007 .com and you click on that and it’ll take you right into my Facebook you can follow me there. Again I only have like a thousand followers on my Facebook because I only opened it up in the last few weeks because of some of the charity work that I’ve been doing but yeah I would love and follow me I have a lot of beautiful information coming out that can help people truly heal from childhood Trauma from things that are holding them back success principles, things that we’re talking about here and links. I would love the link to this podcast so that I can promote it.

Kevin [1:09:45]

I’m gonna give you that and I’m going to give you a little food for thought. The student’s gonna give the teacher and I say this all the time with my group of people and when I started my business everyone was giving me advice and I took it the advice I spent ten thousand dollars on marketing and media and I want to tell everyone anyone to sell a marketing media. I’ll show you in one page how to Market your product and grow it. I gave ten thousand dollars as a donation to a marketing Media company and got no return on my investment if they can’t guarantee a return on your investment all you’re doing is making a donation to their dinner plans, their travel plans to their kids tuition or whatever they’re worse than wasting their money on but I had to stay true to my heart I said, you know I’m surrounded by a very unique group of people. If someone calls me, George Lee calls me he’s a famous film producer in Hollywood and he asked me if he needs something. I’ll drop everything and I’ll do it. If I need George, George would do the same thing you know. Our ongoing thing is basically if you call and ask we will deliver just don’t hurt us. Now if you heard us there’s a whole different conversation that comes about it. You need quality people to follow you. People that have a higher call to action. People that will produce without asking to do the work and that’s what you need don’t look for large numbers because that’s a waste of time. That’s called a mop and mobs normally destroy something they don’t build. Every single company that has ever been built. It’s been built by a small group of people that have a greater Vision than everyone else and then they find people to share that Vision or like-minded people. So Paul your Charities you know, one of the things that empowered me to do this interview is because you’re giving back not because of how successful you are. I can care less you know when we all die none of that goes with us. so I’m not impressed but what impressed me is that you know you hope to help other people every day. We share a like-minded mindset our mission is driven to help people to empower I don’t know if our politics line up if I do know we support humanity and providing opportunities for everyone but the big thing is you know I’m going to tell my guests do not call Paul nor me and I wish you would quit calling me and asking me for money. If you’re not helping yourself I can’t help you. So please don’t do it to my friend and ask Paul for a loan to finance this dream or whatever. You’ve got to do the hard work first, get dirty, lose some sleep you know. Sacrifice something. Sleep on your mom’s couch. Live in your car or whatever the case may be. Rebuild your life before you ask for help. You know we don’t mind helping you out but we’re not going to haul you around for the rest of your life so don’t expect it but this man is giving back so let’s talk about your Charities of what you’re connected to and how we can help you and support you Paul. 

Paul Hutchinson [1:!2:43]

Thank you Kevin. So was the founder of the Child Liberation Foundation. You can go to liberateachild. org or liberate children. org which fights to eradicate child trafficking and I’ll tell you this. You know I’m the founder of a very large company but I put a whole bunch of Partners in there and I’m not nearly as rich as everybody thinks you know. We’re selling the homes so people for years are like, oh I don’t need to donate to that charity Paul’s got it all covered. It’s not about that. It’s about the blessings that you get in your life by helping other people and we’ve trans transferred a little bit in our focus of the foundation in realizing that our goal is not just to rescue a 10 year old out of the clutches of a trafficker in Honduras which we’ve been doing for the last number of years. I’ve been doing this for over 10 years but our goal is to help rescue the 10 year old inside of the heart of a 30-40 year old man a woman and so the biggest ask that I have is if you want to donate to the foundation, great. My biggest ask is connect me with more people like Kevin. I love sharing my heart, my life, my purpose moving forward. If you have connections with other podcasts that would be great stages places that I can share in fact Kevin for you I’ll just tell you this, I love Les Brown and if you’re the one that taught him how to talk from the heart like he does I would absolutely love to find an hour of your time on the phone just so you can kind of Coach me because I’m brand new with this. I’m not a speaker. I’m not any of those things but I feel this calling to share from the heart in ways that can truly transform lives and I believe that I can. I’ve listened to Les Brown so many times I have had this stuff memorized. I mean I can word for word in his tone. I absolutely love the message and the energy behind that man because he’s speaking from the heart and that’s where I want to take my life. I want to shed all of this crap and I want to be on the road. I want to speak and share. I want to inspire people to transform their lives to step forward in a place where Success is Not Just money, success in their relationships and their marriages and with their kids and their health and everything else that is exactly the direction that I want to go. 

Kevin [1:15:16]

Well. I will do this and I’m going to make a correction in your statement. I coach Les Brown as his Fitness coach. I’m a fitness professional for 40 years. I’m a three-time published author and award-winning author. Mike Jackson was Les’s partner in helping him build the Les Brown Foundation in coaching. I’ve learned a lot from both of those people. The one thing that I learned from less is that to be authentic, to be true to yourself you know. Les asked me when I did his show, you know. “What made me different from any other motivational speaker?” and I said, I’m not a motivational speaker. I don’t aspire to be a motivational speaker. I say what I am a game changer you know. The reason why I wrote my book is because you know the things that most of you do when you speak to people in groups, the reality is that when I do my speaking, it could be 300 people, 1500 people could be 15 000 people. I only know that one percent of those people are going to walk away and take the tools and the information I gave them and do something with it and less than one percent of those people after 90 days are going to go back to their regular life and then she’s at one person is going to go through and change their life. So when I speak to anyone what makes me different, I speak to one person at a time and I change one life at a time. I impact one person at a time all right and that’s how things get done. One person at a time just like you and I are doing this right now. We’re sharing with people you know, the road maps to achieve achieving happiness and success and if you were to summarize this whole interview as being true to yourself and being kind to other people and that’s the reason why I have you know my good friend on here Paul Hutchison to share this with you and as Paul asked before you know, is how do you get things done? You connect your resources with other people’s resources. So share this video, share the conversation, write a comment and reach out to Paul. If you’re a podcaster and you want to have Paul on your show, please be someone that’s giving back. Don’t ask Paul in order just to run up your numbers whatever that’s not the type of guy he is you know. Listen to his ask and I mean Paul we will speak afterwards and we will talk about how you know to do these interviews because sometimes people are not prepared. I’m one of those people. I’m over prepared. I had a plan for this. So if you look at the road map to success in building a business. I have a business that I’m successful with in my heart. I’m going to learn something from Paul. I’ve learned a lot to him from today so Paul, do you want to leave anything to our listeners? I’m going to say one more thing to them before I’ll sign off. 

Paul Hutchinson [1:18:21]

I’m super grateful for this opportunity to share, I’m super grateful for your leading through this interview so it wasn’t the same memorize whatever you got deep down and asked questions to help really identify where my heart is and that the things that I didn’t even think about on my road to success. So super grateful for your way of doing this interview and managing the process on the way through and the one thing that I want to lead and to leave with is “choose today to lead from the heart, to have all of your decisions in your relationships, in your business and everything live with Integrity. Lead from the heart, understand that whatever happened in the past is the past and you can let it go. You can let go of things that had happened to you, things that people have said to you. You’re carrying that trauma by choice today by reiterating it in your head. Let It Go. Learn forgiveness. Learn to forgive yourself. Learn to forgive others and learn how to step forward into a new life that is filled with abundance of love and progression and success in ways that you could never have while you were still holding on to that trauma of your past.”

Kevin [1:19:49]

And with that said Paul Hutchison, my friend, student of life, Warrior of the great one, You’re a disciple and thank you for being an honored guest on this show. We have covered so much information and we hope that at some point this episode you would like to share if it’s enlightened you, if it’s touched you in any type of way or when you look out your window or look into the eyes of someone else hopefully this conversation has changed your view not only for what how you see yourself but how you relate to humanity. If you like what you’ve heard today please go to RMK Productions and network and subscribe and follow, if you really like to be a person of higher call to action share this episode as many times as you possibly can. If you’re a podcaster and would like to have Paul on your show give me a call. Follow and reach out to Paul directly and I will connect you. Go to RMK Productions dot org in order to reach us or send us an email to info rmkproductions. org we appreciate you and Paul you are always welcome back if you need help Direction. You need a good editor for your book. I have my own publishing label and would be more than happy to help you, it won’t cost you a dime and please if you have friends that would like to. If they’re giving back to the community because all we’re about please refer them to this podcast. We will be more than happy to have them on as a guest. So with that said I want to thank everyone for tuning in and listening in and sharing we appreciate you all. As my grandfather said early on in my life. When you get to a point in life that you can help someone else it is your duty to do so. Reach one, teach one and we’ll Fade to Black. Thank you ladies and gentlemen [Music]